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Is Green Lightning a Fraud?

Is Green Lightning a Fraud?

Garth Brown |

If you missed my last post, it is a very brief, not at all technical primer on nitrogen fertilizer. Nitrogen cycle chart courtesy of wikicommons.

There has always been a bit of a gap between advertisements and reality: during the two minute warning McDonald ’s promises a seared burger, crisp lettuce, a fluffy roll speckled with sesame seeds, and a slice of perfectly ripe tomato; in the bleary hours where too late a night becomes too early a morning polo-shirted hucksters demonstrate knives capable of cutting through tin cans, towels capable of soaking up gallons of water, blenders that promise to revolutionize cooking from the morning’s smoothie to the evening’s pasta sauce; the resort pamphlet shows an immaculate room with french doors opening into an edenic garden.

Inevitably, disappointment shades the translation from imagery to reality. The burger is compact and mushy, the knives dull after a month of use, nothing is blooming in the sweltering tangle of greenery carpeting the yard two stories below. It’s not quite fraud, but it’s also not quite honest.

In the age of the internet a more ambiguous category has risen to prominence. It still includes material goods like clothing and toys and appliances. But instead of idealized photos taken in perfect lighting they are advertised with images generated by AI, images which may bear only the most tangential relationship to the dress or the race car bed when it actually lands on the front porch. There’s still an exchange of goods for money, but a vast gulf lies between the promise and what’s delivered.

Dietary supplements and alternative health products constitute a significant portion of this morass. Instead of relying on dodgy pictures, charismatic influencers weave underpowered studies, vaguely plausible mechanisms, and anecdotes into compelling sales pitches. The promised results range from the anodyne, like better sleep, to the truly pernicious, like a cure for cancer.

It’s easy to understand why this tactic is so effective. In the case of t-shirts and cheap electronics, the cost is usually small enough that even a disappointing product isn’t worth the hassle of trying to return. In the case of supplements, particularly those claiming to address real but complex and diffuse phenomena like poor sleep or low energy, conditions to which conventional medicine often has few good solutions, the downside of a few spent dollars is small compared to the possibility, however remote, of a significantly improved quality of life.

Far stranger is the fact that the dynamic extends to farming. I say it is strange not because I expect farmers to be superior humans, universally capable of resisting marketing, but because they are far better positioned to test the veracity of claims than the average consumer and because the amount of money involved is often much greater.

Such were my reflections as I read about a seemingly too good to be true system supposedly capable of replacing expensive purchased nitrogen fertilizer with cheap fertilizer produced right on the farm.

Green Lightning and the promise of on farm fertilizer

Many alternative and alternat-ish ag products make limited claims while implying a great deal. Sea salt becomes a sea mineral complex with a full spectrum of trace elements. Couple this with pictures of glossy cows and glowing testimonials from other farmers who have seen the health of their herds improve after swapping in sea mineral complex for regular stock salt and the idea is clear enough: your herd has deficiencies that standard salt and mineral blends aren’t addressing, and this slightly more expensive supplement can fix them. Whether apple cider, fish emulsion, or rain attractors, the basic format holds.

Green Lightning’s website is a refreshing contrast. It states that its machines capture atmospheric nitrogen and put it into water in large enough quantities to replace purchased nitrogen fertilizer. The machines come in a range of sizes with clear claims about the scale of corn plantings each can service, ranging from 90 to 6000 acres. In other words, Green Lightning is unambiguously marketing itself as a cheaper alternative to one of the biggest agricultural input costs.

Unlike so many niche agricultural products, Green Lightning has a straightforward value proposition, which is where we spot the first red flag. Given the space involved and the fact that a good study would have to run for a couple years real world corn yields aren’t as easy to study as fruit flies in a lab. But with the size of the potential market — farmers managing millions upon millions of acres of corn, sugarcane, soy, wheat, potatoes, and all the other crops that make up the modern food system would line up for a proven cheaper alternative to conventional nitrogen — Green Lightning should be able to bankroll any number of studies.

There are other reasons for skepticism. First is the dodgy language around the nitrogen quantities. The site claims that each gallon of product contains the equivalent of three pounds of nitrogen fertilizer. The idea, I think, is that plants utilize the Green Lightning water more efficiently than traditional fertilizer, so even though it contains less actual nitrogen it promotes identical growth and yield. If I’m understanding this correctly it is quite a bold claim, one that would require robust evidence to prove.

Which relates to the second problem, the general dearth of specifics. I’m pretty confident in the characterization above, but there is nowhere on the site that forthrightly lists what the Green Lightning-ified water contains and in what concentrations, a clear explanation of what nitrogen equivalent units are or how they were determined, or even exactly how to use Green Lightning to replace conventional nitrogen fertilizer.

My best guesses

Pending better information, my best guess is as follows. I think the Green Lightning machines work in the narrowest sense, meaning I believe they do convert atmospheric nitrogen from an inert gas into a form accessible to plants. Specifically, I would guess they turn the water into a very weak nitric acid solution. The Birkeland–Eyde process uses electricity to do precisely this, and the mechanism closely resembles that by which lightning fixes nitrogen in the soil.

I’m guessing it’s a weak nitric acid solution because the amount of energy required to break the strongly bonded atmospheric nitrogen molecules is basic high school chemistry. Meanwhile, a blog post detailing costs on the Green Lightning website breaks down the electricity usage, arriving at a figure of $0.011 of electricity per pound of nitrogen equivalent. Using the most conservative numbers I can find this is less than a tenth the cost of the energy inputs alone needed to make nitrogen fertilizer via the most efficient industrial methods currently used, methods that are something like 65% efficient. In other words, the Green Lightning machine uses far less energy than would be required to generate the actual amount of nitrogen, even if it was 100% efficient, which it definitely isn’t. Unless the Green lightning folks have figured out how to subvert the known laws by which atoms bond to each other the amount of nitrogen captured by the process is extremely limited.

So, is Green Lightning a scam?

A friend who happens to be a magazine editor once told me it’s a journalistic truism that if an article has a question in the title the answer is no. Did David Duchovny Encounter a Real Alien on the set of the X-Files? Did Jimmy Carter Convert to Paganism on his Deathbed? Is HIlary Hahn Going to Clown School?

I’m going to buck the trend. I would bet good money that Green Lightning is a fraud. I do not think the 90 acre machine can provide all the nitrogen fertilizer to grow 20 acres of high yielding corn year over year, let alone 90. I think the 6000 acre machine is little more than an overpriced, temperature controlled shipping container.

I would be genuinely excited to be proven wrong. Making nitrogen fertilizer uses an immense amount of energy, and a technology that radically reduced that requirement while allowing hyperlocal production would be a huge advance. I will enthusiastically update this post if I see evidence that causes me to reconsider.

These are just a few of the questions that should be answered at great length on the site of a company trying to convince farmers to invest thousands upon thousands of dollars in an unproven technology:

  • Exactly what comes out of the tank after water has been treated by a Green Lightning machine?
  • If it is indeed a very weak nitric acid solution, what is the evidence that it can replace conventional nitrogen fertilizer when growing a high yield crop like corn?
  • What would it cost to create a similar solution by other means, like buying conventionally produced nitric acid concentrate and diluting it?
  • What third parties, particularly ag colleges, are running multi-year independent tests on the machine in real world conditions?

The bigger picture

In researching Green Lightning the second most surprising thing I’ve found is how many farmers have bought the machines. The most surprising thing is how many of them claim some measure of success. While I have not seen a single person claim it has fully replaced other nitrogen sources, if you bushwack deep enough into the thicket of online ag forums (forums still operating on software that looks to be from 1998) you will find farmers reporting that reduced conventional nitrogen plus Green Lightning can save money on total fertilizer costs, though I have yet to see a single person say that Green Lightning alone is sufficient.

Though superficially compelling, such accounts aren’t good evidence. In addition to the problems with running on-farm trials that are fundamentally different from the claims made on the Green Lightning site (remember, it is marketed as a replacement for other sources of nitrogen, not a supplement), these farmers are anything but impartial; after spending tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars on a nitrogen system they have every reason to look for signs of success and every reason to ignore signs of failure.

If farmers whose livelihoods rely on understanding the nutrient cycle of the crops they grow can be misled and can mislead themselves to this extent, we should all be humble about our own capacity for self-deception. The higher the stakes, the greater the risk that we are not seeing as clearly as we believe.

10 comments

I started looking into small-scale “farm-made nitrogen” systems after seeing a video come up on YouTube. The idea sounded very interesting, so I spent the day researching plasma nitrogen production, especially DBD plasma systems, energy requirements, output rates, water absorption, catalysts, and whether this could realistically replace urea.

My main conclusion at this stage is that I cannot yet see these systems being economically efficient enough to replace urea as a bulk nitrogen source.

The technology usually relies on DBD plasma, which is also the same type of technology used in many ozone generators. A DBD plasma system energises air and can create ozone, nitric oxide, nitrogen dioxide, and other reactive species. These gases then need to be absorbed into water, where they can form nitrate and nitrite, which plants can potentially use.

The issue is the energy requirement.

A small ozone-style DBD system may claim something like 100 grams per hour output while using around 600 watts to 1 kilowatt of power. However, that output is normally ozone, not actual fixed nitrogen. That is a critical distinction. A machine rated at 100 g/hour ozone does not mean it produces 100 g/hour of plant-available nitrogen.

Even if we made the very generous assumption that a system could produce 100 g/hour of actual fixed nitrogen using 1 kW, then producing 1 kg of nitrogen would take about:

1000 g ÷ 100 g/hour = 10 hours

At 1 kW, that uses:

10 kWh

At $0.30/kWh, the electricity cost would be:

10 × $0.30 = $3.00 per kg of nitrogen

That is roughly similar to urea at around $1,400 per tonne, because urea is about 46% nitrogen:

$1,400 ÷ 460 kg N = about $3.04 per kg of nitrogen

So even under a very generous nitrogen-output assumption, the electricity cost alone is about the same as buying urea. Once equipment cost, maintenance, cooling, pumps, sensors, scrubbers, catalysts, buffer chemicals, and labour are included, it becomes harder to justify economically.

The bigger concern is that most of the published “grams per hour” figures for these machines are ozone output, not nitrogen output. Actual fixed nitrogen production may be much lower, which would make the cost per kg of nitrogen much higher than urea.

Scaling up also creates problems. If a system produced 1 kg/hour of actual nitrogen and required roughly 10 kW, then it could make:

24 kg N per day

To produce the nitrogen equivalent of 1 tonne of urea:

1 tonne urea × 46% N = 460 kg N

At 24 kg/day, that would take about:

460 ÷ 24 = about 19 days

So producing the nitrogen equivalent of:

10 tonnes urea = about 190 days
20 tonnes urea = about 380 days

That shows how difficult it becomes to replace bulk fertiliser production on-farm unless the system is very large and very efficient.

There are ways to improve the process. For example, better gas-to-water transfer could be achieved using a proper mist scrubber, wet scrubber, or packed absorption tower rather than simply bubbling gas through water. A scrubber could improve how much NOx is captured into the liquid.

There may also be benefits from using a catalyst, such as TiO₂, Mn-doped TiO₂, or manganese oxide catalysts, which may help shift plasma chemistry toward more useful NOx production rather than wasted ozone. The catalyst does not create free nitrogen by itself, but it may help reactive plasma species form more NO and NO₂ instead of recombining or being wasted.

A pH buffer could also help. The better example would be potassium bicarbonate, not potassium sulphate. Potassium bicarbonate could help neutralise nitric acid as it forms and may allow the solution to accumulate more nitrate before becoming too acidic. This could potentially form a potassium nitrate-rich solution, which is useful as a fertiliser.

However, when I look at many of the smaller commercial systems being promoted, I do not see enough evidence that they are using the full set of efficiency-improving components, such as:

controlled humidity
proper NOx monitoring
mist scrubber or packed scrubber
pH buffering
nitrate/nitrite sensors
catalyst stage
energy-per-kg nitrogen data

Without those, I find the claimed efficiencies hard to accept.

My conclusion after a day of research is that the concept is scientifically real, but replacing urea economically is much harder than the marketing suggests. It may have value for specialist uses such as hydroponics, seed treatment, foliar sprays, fertigation, pathogen reduction, or using surplus solar power. But as a broadacre replacement for urea, I think it looks too good to be true unless someone has achieved a major improvement in actual fixed nitrogen output per kilowatt-hour.

For this to become compelling, the key number that must be proven is not ozone output. It is:

grams of actual plant-available nitrogen captured per kWh

Until that number is clearly measured and shown to beat urea after equipment and running costs, I would be cautious about claims that these systems can economically replace conventional nitrogen fertiliser.

andrew,

As I have read this article and Green Lightning’s the marketing tests for this Plasma process of Liquid Nitrogen they have openly stated that it contains no salt – stating that because of this, the test results are unobtainable.
I’m definitely not a chemist – so would simply adding some salt get an analysis which you then with final results subtract the molecule of salt to get an accurate analysis ?

Kym ,

As I have read this article and Green Lightning’s the marketing tests for this Plasma process of Liquid Nitrogen they have openly stated that it contains no salt – stating that because of this, the test results are unobtainable.
I’m definitely not a chemist – so would simply adding some salt get an analysis which you then with final results subtract the molecule of salt to get an accurate analysis ?

Kym ,

Thanks for the comments everyone. I would like to reiterate the main point of this post – Green Lightning could clear up a whole lot of confusion by simply posting third party validated analyses of the water that comes out of their machines, both in their test conditions and as deployed on farms. As a few of you have pointed out, there’s nothing particularly difficult about this sort of analysis.

Imagine buying any other fertilizer product and having a salesman assure you it was great but refuse to provide numbers for what it actually contained.

Garth Brown,

I have a real issue with a statement green lightning made. They said since their product contains no salt they cannot find a lab to test it. I know where there is a mass spec at university 50 miles from my house. Put green lightning PAW in there, you will know what it contains in a few minutes!

Lectricgenius,

The old farmers in 30s n 40s used a cement tank a windmill with a generator to produce there own nitrogen.

Steven ,

It’s such a cheap test to measure the nitrate and nitrite levels in water they make them for aquariums. Turn up to where they have a demo site and take a test.

Also, examining the patent itself might be of benefit to you.

If this works it could be a game changer for farmers so more investigation is required.

Dean,

https://www.oldscollege.ca/smart-farm-research/research-projects/crop-research/current/nytro-ag-corp-fertilizer-evaluation.html

Canadian study. No real info there though.

Seth,

Hi Nathan, thanks for the comment.

I do think it’s possible that more frequent applications of lower concentration N would be more efficient. If that’s the case, it would be doubly important to know exactly what GL contains – could farmers get the same solution for less by mixing on farm, without worrying about maintaining an expensive and by all accounts tricky to maintain piece of machinery?

I’ve reached out to a couple Universities, but have not yet found someone who’s wanted to discuss GL. This article

https://www.farmweeknow.com/general/agronomists-study-product-aiming-to-turn-water-into-nitrogen/article_03013b83-ea97-48db-ace9-6ca672a3defc.html

mentions ongoing independent trials that were not going well as of last summer, but I have not found the final results published anywhere.

I will update this post if I get more data. If you come across anything by third parties, whether universities, ag consultants, or seed companies, please send it my way.

Garth,

I found this blog post by searching for Green Lightning after seeing this video:
https://youtu.be/8TOnyAwJyvg?si=hSubkFTdM9t2va5Z

The farmer claims to have replaced all his urea with water from his Green Lightning machines. The main issue seems to be the cost/benefit of 4 applications of low-intensity fertilizer vs 1 application of high concentrate. As someone who’s attended an ag industry conference, and learned about plant biology, I would guess that the lower concentration of fertilizer, applied with water, will not just absorb through the blade, but through the root zone. Plant absorption per unit of nitrogen will be better than urea application. As for the potential power discrepancy, there’s a chance that the company stumbled upon LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions) with their plasma arc. Wouldn’t it be nice if our universities studied LENR? It would be great if our US Agricultural schools would study the technology behind Green Lightning. But most of their studies are funded by Bayer/Monsanto, who have a direct financial interest against such technology. I live near Michigan State University. I will ask their agronomy professors what they think about this. What universities have you contacted?

Nathan,

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